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welcome to tales from the rabbit hole

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I'm your host Mick West today's guest is

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Jim Lee Jim Lee is someone I've known of

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and talks to a few times online for

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several years

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Jim is or at least he used to be a very

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deep conspiracy theorist and that he

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believed in things like chemtrails and a

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bunch of the conspiracy theories now

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he's less so however he still subscribes

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to a version of the chemtrails

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conspiracy theory which is that there's

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some kind of secret geoengineering plot

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going on

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maybe not involving all the planes that

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we see overhead leaving trails but he

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thinks there's something going on he

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really doesn't believe the classical

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Kendra a conspiracy theory though when

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he kind of steers away from that and he

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actually he does a bit of debunking of

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things like that on his website and he

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does have a strong following though and

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his followers generally tend to be the

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people who believe in the classical

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chemtrails conspiracy theory so I kind

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of feel like perhaps mmm what he's doing

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might not be always working this is

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something that we talked about in the

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podcast so here he is Jim Lee

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I'm Jim Lee welcome to tales from the

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thank you for being here

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I appreciated me it's been a long time

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we've talked a couple times on the phone

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I've heckled you quite a bit on your

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forum and it's I'm really looking

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forward to this conversation yeah me too

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yeah I've actually known you well online

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for quite a long time because you've

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been active in the I guess the

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chemtrails sphere online is that kind of

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an accurate description of how you kind

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of yeah Howie

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how you got started in this type of

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thing I would agree with that so yeah I

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would say probably back in 2008 was

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about the time that I you know became

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interested in geoengineering and the

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topic and around 2010

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through 2014 I became a member of King

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calderas geo engineering group and did a

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little bit of debating in there with Ken

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caldera and Steven Salter and John

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Latham the guys from the Silver Lining

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project marine cloud brightening project

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and it's kind of funny how it evolved

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from yeah me having a serious discussion

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about the difference between weather

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modification of geoengineering to more

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of a focus on you know the the entire

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chemtrail debate because I see this

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major overlap where there's more of a

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focus on chemtrails and less of a focus

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on actual weather modification and

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geoengineering so that's how I initially

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got into the debate about you know

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chemtrails and you know the the at first

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you know I was inclined to believe

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everything you know I had a blog

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resonated calm

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I was anonymous and you know you rightly

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so pointed out a lot of the holes in my

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theories and you know basically my

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opinion on the entire chemtrail debate

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has evolved quite a bit over time and

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what I really see now as the problem is

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that it comes down to a lot of semantics

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that you know chemtrails being a

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high-level descriptor you did too a lot

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of people contrails or a high-level

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descriptor you know meaning that they

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have different meanings for different

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people you know you can't yeah it's not

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an apple or orange you know I mean if

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you say chemtrail it could mean many

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different things to many different

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people let's just real quick so just

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make sure everyone understands what

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you're talking about that because I'm

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not not everybody is going to be

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entirely familiar with even terms

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chemtrails and contrails so chemtrails

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are basically just the theory that the

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clouds that are left behind plane that

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the white trails left behind planes

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deliberate spraying and as this whole

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conspiracy theory built up around this

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that suggests all kinds of different

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reasons why people you know the

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government might be spraying and one of

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those theories is what you mentioned

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which is geoengineering which is the

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idea that we can actually do things like

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spraying things into the atmosphere to

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modify the climate and so there's become

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this this major variant at the chemtrail

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theory is that there's a secret project

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going on to modify the climate via this

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covert geoengineering which they're

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performing secretly and that's you know

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something that you've obviously talked

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about in the past so I try to make sure

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like when we discuss things we we

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explain what we're talking about cuz you

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know you and I know all these things

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that sir not everybody is familiar with

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you know every little nuance anyway so

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you were saying so yeah like I said my

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views on the topic you've evolved

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obviously over time but what I see is

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the biggest problem is that you know

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while a lot of people attribute you know

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I don't follow the whole it's

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depopulation

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believe that it is geoengineering and I

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believe that because scientists have

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said so the difference being that you

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know chuck long from Noah's Sierra's

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Earth System research lab when he called

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aircraft contrails accidental

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geoengineering he was referring to

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planes whitening the sky and what he was

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actually referring to wasn't even the

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clouds you know which is kind of ironic

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you know most of the prominent chemtrail

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websites specifically called the clouds

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that are coming out of planes

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geoengineering whereas chuck long said

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so he referred to this as accidental

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geoengineering and I seem to recall in

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the same after mentioned geoengineering

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group with King caldera you and Ken

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caldera debating what geoengineering

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would look like the average people do

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you remember that comment yeah cuz you

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know what we're talking about here is

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with the the whitening is that if you

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have more particulates in the air you

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get more more of the haze and this is

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this is the haze you can see very easily

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if you look straight up the sky looks a

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deep blue and if you look towards the

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horizon it looks white because you're

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looking through more particulates and

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the idea is that if there was some kind

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of geoengineering that was spraying

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stuff then it would look more whiter you

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would look when you look straight up it

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would look more like what you'd look

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like to Horizon and yet they did they

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done various studies I think like

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computer models on you know what it

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would look like and there would be a

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detectable difference I think but not

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one that's particularly noticeable given

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all the variations that we see in the

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they say that it looks whiter than it

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did before which you know may may well

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be possible because there's a lot more

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aviation and pollution than there was

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before that and that's exactly what I

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what I try to do is take people who

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believe in the conspiracy theory like I

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the sky is part of some nefarious new

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the jet fuel the you know soot and

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metals that are coming out how they form

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clouds what those clouds how they affect

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climate how they affect you know help

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that but I still hold out the contention

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that you know there is a possibility

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that secret geoengineering could occur

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and I base this on two main premises one

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that there have been two prominent

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geoengineering studies about you know

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that direct application via Airlines one

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sciences and then one more recently and

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in both of those papers they said they

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only needed anywhere from four to it max

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a hundred planes the Geo engineer the

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planet so if that's true then when we

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have a hundred fifty thousand flights

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per day when we have at any given time

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five thousand flights it doesn't mean

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that every single flight would have to

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be part of some of the Feria scheme to

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geo engineer the planet and then the

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history tends to repeat itself and what

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we what we've seen in the past is that

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the CIA henry kissinger the air force at

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wright-patterson and the US Navy at

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China Lake were involved in operation

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Popeye operation motor pool where they

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did weather warfare over Vietnam

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simultaneously the CIA was involved in

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project now blue where they were doing

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cloud seeding over the Gulf of Mexico to

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deny rainfall to Cuba to kill on

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Castro's sugar crops so then of course

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following that there was a weather

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warfare ban of 1978 in mod and you know

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lot of discussion in the public sphere

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at all about weather modification let

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alone the fact that weather warfare is

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possible there is no way to verify this

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modification conference I went to the

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one in 2018 and interviewed Raytheon US

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project Stormfury I interviewed a lot of

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Fleming my hero and what you know

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while all these technologies are you

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know in use while the CIA has a history

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of weather warfare the CIA also funded

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the National Academy of Sciences reports

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from the CIA asking if another country

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was controlling the weather over our

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country would we know it and he also

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stated at the same time I was wondering

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were they asking me if we were

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controlling the weather over another

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country would they know it well Diane

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conference said very clearly we cannot

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detect rogue geoengineering and for me

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that's a problem so let me just go into

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let me just stop you real there because

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I think you know you this is an issue

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that's come up before is that you're

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very fluidly shifted between two

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concepts the the idea of geoengineering

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which is climate modification and the

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idea of weather modification and I think

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seeding a lot of things you mentioned

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things are sprayed into clouds to

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increase precipitation which is a very

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different thing from the stratospheric

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climate engineering that we're talking

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about which is about spraying things

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from planes are very high altitudes so

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see you're kind of jumping back and

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forth there are a lot between mentioning

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geoengineering and mentioning weather

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modification now I know some people

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would consider weather modification to

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be geoengineering but really it's a very

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very localized thing that's done on

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clouds like they do it here where we are

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in the mountains in the Sierras to

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increase the the snowpack but it's not

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climate energy it's not it's not

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Geoengineer I agree with you but here's

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here's the earth the rub and this is

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this is one of the if you go to Ken

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calderas forum to this day the second

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most viewed post on his entire forum is

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where I laid out the argument that we're

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talking about right now

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whereas weather modification is not

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geoengineering geoengineering is weather

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modification and this is confirmed by

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dr. Ben Kravitz by the several different

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geoengineering geomap

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many of the different of the

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international geoengineering what's

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called IgE a basically what they say is

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that if we were to do geoengineering

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that mimicking volcanoes will have the

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same effect that natural volcanoes have

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it will modify weather on a global scale

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then it will change rainfall patterns

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worldwide so they're 170 night that I

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mean that's an obvious thing if you

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change the climate

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it changes the weather because the

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weather is localized expressions of the

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climate but if you change that weather

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it doesn't change the climate so just

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you know saying that climate engineering

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is weather modification is kind of you

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know it's kind of a pointless statement

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I would argue and that's it's it's

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you're making a connection between these

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things where there really isn't a

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connection you're not doing weather

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modification when you're doing climate

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engineering you doing climate

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engineering which yes it will have

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effects because it's raising or lowering

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the temperature of the of the of the

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earth but it's not the same as weather

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modification and you I really would say

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you shouldn't be confusing people by

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equating the two things I thought I

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don't believe that I'm confusing people

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at all in fact dr. Alan robock said

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exactly the same thing so this isn't

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just coming from me dr. Alan robock

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geoengineering has 27 reasons not to Geo

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engineer said very clearly it will

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affect weather low will global rainfall

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patterns so yeah but nothing a way that

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they will actually understand I mean

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that's part of the problem that's that's

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the that's even worse yes it's identical

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to cloud seeding because according to

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the National Academy of Sciences report

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in 2004 I believe was or 2003 they said

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our view is the same as it was 60 years

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ago that with cloud seeding we don't

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know what the results are they are a

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completely unprovable there's no

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efficacy to the science of cloud seeding

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so the same is true of geoengineering

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and climate engineers well they said

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that cloud seeding item makes it rain a

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bit more or it doesn't make it rain a

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bit more it doesn't have that lots of

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side effects put them with climate

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engineering

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that you're modifying the temperature of

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the entire planet which has massive

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effects over the entire planet weather

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modification they just don't know if it

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works climate engineering we don't know

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if we're destroying the planet so I

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think it's quite a big difference sir

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yeah but and I agree with that and but

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at the same time you know like I said

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you can call there the difference

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between global warming or climate change

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and geoengineering is God killed people

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or you killed people and you know

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there's another argument on Ken's Forum

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SRM how to deal with the losers and they

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just clearly lay it out that you know as

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a result of geoengineering people will

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die

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how are we gonna pay for the losers and

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the reason they're gonna die is because

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the southern hemisphere will likely get

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drier and the northern hemisphere will

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get wetter so you know and they said

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weather you know people are gonna

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attribute these massive weather changes

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to climate engineering whether real or

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not and how are we gonna deal with that

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you know obviously the public relations

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side of that and you know how are we

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gonna pay for the dead people so that's

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what geoengineering governance is all

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about and that's why I've been you know

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very fervent about being in this debate

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about geoengineering and weather

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modification because the - I believe

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coming you know good Cowan there they

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coincide they go hand-in-hand and I'll

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throw this other one at you you know

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that the Indian Space organization just

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recently said they found black carbon

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from aircraft emissions it's the only

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possible source of it at 18 kilometres

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in the sky which is in the stratosphere

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so what they're basically saying is the

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indian space organization said that

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airline traffic the exhaust coming out

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airlines are affecting their monsoons

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destroying the ozone layer and you know

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causing other problems and this is

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directly attributable to the black

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carbon so part of it is you know because

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of the Himalayas you know the mountains

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and the updraft that basically updraft

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is carrying

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this material into the stratosphere so

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aircraft aircraft pollution is being

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raised into the stratosphere well what's

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in that aircraft pollution it is carbon

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black dust it's suit the suit is filled

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with metals and wrapped in sulfur so is

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that stratospheric sulfur injection

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intentional or unintentional it is it's

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it's sulfur being injected into the

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stratosphere Chuck long says the sky's

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getting whiter we're doing accidental

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geoengineering MIT just recently had an

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article we're about to stop and a

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massive accidental experiment in cooling

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the planet and they were referring to

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ship tracks same idea its chemtrails but

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you know 50 miles wide and thousands of

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miles long marine stratocumulus so the

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idea that you know this isn't

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geoengineering is no longer an issue

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they they call it accidental

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geoengineering well they call a carbon

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dioxide emissions accidental

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geoengineering as well anything that

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humans do that affects the planet can be

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called accidental geoengineering you

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could say the heat island effect of

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cities because you've got all this black

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asphalt absorbing the Sun is essentially

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a form of geoengineering I just want to

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go back to one thing you mentioned

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earlier about saying that geoengineering

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will kill people and yeah this is

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something yet people have I've talked

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about if we do geoengineering there will

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be winners and losers but the idea of

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geoengineering is that there would be

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less enosis and there if we didn't do it

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and that we're trying to the idea is to

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avert some kind of catastrophic change

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in the environment that would require a

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massive readjustment of society which

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would require not require but it would

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result in more deaths

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you know if suddenly all the crops

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failed by the natural means then yeah so

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it's not like we're trying to decide

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whether or not to kill all these people

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it's kind of like you probably familiar

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with the trolley problem which is a

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philosophy problem yeah that's a runaway

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trolley and yeah there's there's five

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people on

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ahead of you but you could go it off to

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another branch of the line you can

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redirect it where there's only like two

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people like do you pull the laser that's

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your mom but that's your mom and dad so

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make a choice yeah but even if it's not

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that if it's strangest people have a lot

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of difficulty with making a decision to

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kill people the people would rather let

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you know nature thing this case of

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runaway trolley take its course and

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there's you know people don't experience

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where this is kind of fun not fun that's

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it's a very interesting thing to study

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what people's reactions are to this so I

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can see you know with the gon

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geoengineering thing I David Keith said

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yes ten doubt tens of thousand of people

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will die because of this but you know he

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also doesn't really mention that the

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idea is that hundreds of thousands or

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even millions of people will not die

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because of it but you have to pull the

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trigger and you to you know choosing

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some people rather than other so I just

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want to clear up that it's not that with

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we're going to kill lots of people just

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for some technological reason yes to

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stop other people don't

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well let's define what you're talking

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about so that this is what's called the

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clathrate gun hypothesis you're familiar

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with that correct well you remind me

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because I'm sure okay so so basically

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they dug into the ice cores and then at

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the poles and they basically dug down to

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where they say the dinosaurs are and

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they look at and they say right here we

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have dinosaur farts and that's a lot of

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co2 followed by a massive increase in

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methane so the theory behind the

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clathrate gun hypothesis or runaway

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global warming is that dinosaur farts

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melted methane clathrates

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or frozen methane which then vented into

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the atmosphere and caused runaway global

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warming which killed the dinosaurs this

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is what the modern new science behind

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the runaway global warming effect is

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based on is that right now they say we

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have methane clathrates that are venting

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that the Arctic methane emergency group

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says

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that because of co2 you know that it's

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melting these methane deposits and at

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any moment we could have run away global

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warming therefore we should geo engineer

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there for it you know

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Deo sees of the world and you know

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individuals like that that are saying we

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only have 12 years to live I mean they

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it's it's so outrageous that's not

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really a mainstream not really a

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mainstream view the the the Arctic

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methane emergency group I'm sure you see

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it whenever it comes up on the the

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geoengineering group on on Google Groups

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people don't really take them that

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seriously people look at things like the

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methane melting and yeah but they

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usually talk about in terms of for like

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a hundred years but some people are

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saying like he's gonna happen in the

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next decade and that we're all going to

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die and you know I don't really think

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it's the mainstream you amongst the

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climate scientists that we're all gonna

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die yeah yes so well I mean I I agree

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with you on that

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in fact when I brought up the the

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clathrate gun hypothesis and a an Arctic

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methane emergency group I brought up the

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fact that they were talking about Ken

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caldera on their website and can't

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immediately ran to the forum and said I

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disavowed John Neeson and I have nothing

550
00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:39,700
to do with ARC to commit hemorrhoids

551
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:41,350
group and I want to be they should

552
00:23:45,419 --> 00:23:43,570
remove me immediately from it so I

553
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:45,429
understand there's infighting there I

554
00:23:49,860 --> 00:23:47,410
understand there's not full agreement on

555
00:23:52,530 --> 00:23:49,870
that topic and I understand that this

556
00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:52,540
originally you know the whole co2 idea

557
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:54,790
came from what was called the calendar

558
00:24:04,790 --> 00:24:00,059
effect you know back in the early 1930s

559
00:24:09,450 --> 00:24:04,800
and yeah that but but but I maintain

560
00:24:10,110 --> 00:24:09,460
that you know even though guys Stewart

561
00:24:14,820 --> 00:24:10,120
Callendar

562
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:14,830
you basically formed this idea behind

563
00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:17,440
co2 and global warming anthropogenic

564
00:24:23,310 --> 00:24:20,710
global warming that the climate models

565
00:24:24,930 --> 00:24:23,320
that they're using they they don't have

566
00:24:26,850 --> 00:24:24,940
enough information to make the kind of

567
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,860
determinations they're making but even

568
00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:28,960
the geoengineering

569
00:24:35,220 --> 00:24:32,110
model and container comparison program

570
00:24:36,690 --> 00:24:35,230
GM if that they don't have enough

571
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:36,700
information to make the kind of

572
00:24:40,890 --> 00:24:38,770
predictions that they're making that you

573
00:24:44,130 --> 00:24:40,900
that basically they're playing with fire

574
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:44,140
they're using insufficient statistics to

575
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:46,930
base all this on and they're not taking

576
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:49,690
into account you know so many factors

577
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:53,520
like solar cycles galactic cosmic rays

578
00:24:59,640 --> 00:24:57,010
aerosols aerosol cloud interactions the

579
00:25:01,770 --> 00:24:59,650
greatest unknown in climate science so

580
00:25:03,090 --> 00:25:01,780
why we write what they do it then why

581
00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:03,100
would they be having a secret

582
00:25:07,620 --> 00:25:04,750
geoengineering program if they don't

583
00:25:10,650 --> 00:25:07,630
know if it works or not well because the

584
00:25:13,050 --> 00:25:10,660
CIA has stated in the in the Defense

585
00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:13,060
Department has stated in at least 20

586
00:25:19,170 --> 00:25:15,310
documents that I've been able to accrue

587
00:25:22,770 --> 00:25:19,180
that climate change is a national you

588
00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:22,780
know Strategic Defense problem yeah why

589
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:24,910
then would they take the risk of making

590
00:25:30,270 --> 00:25:26,370
it worse

591
00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:30,280
well it they look at the history of the

592
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:32,350
military I mean we got the Westford

593
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:35,650
needles do I really need to say more you

594
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:36,970
told me take up no one's have a hood at

595
00:25:41,730 --> 00:25:40,090
the West but needle is very much spray

596
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:41,740
needles into space to change the

597
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:42,720
ionosphere

598
00:25:49,860 --> 00:25:45,970
yeah they basically wanted to create a

599
00:25:51,870 --> 00:25:49,870
artificial ionosphere and the

600
00:25:55,620 --> 00:25:51,880
interesting point about this is just

601
00:25:59,040 --> 00:25:55,630
before that 1958 am garage key and

602
00:26:01,920 --> 00:25:59,050
another Russian individual said we could

603
00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:01,930
put metallic particles into space and

604
00:26:11,490 --> 00:26:07,990
melt the poles Carol Livingston Riker

605
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:11,500
in 1921 said we could reroute the Gulf

606
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:13,930
Stream to make it flow into the Arctic

607
00:26:17,790 --> 00:26:15,310
and melt with noodles they would

608
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:17,800
actually try suffre yeah the nice thing

609
00:26:24,510 --> 00:26:22,720
was for radio radio communications

610
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:24,520
basically they were trying to make a

611
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,850
reflective thing was that yes the idea

612
00:26:31,530 --> 00:26:29,440
behind the westward needle and trying to

613
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:31,540
affect the weather it's coincidental

614
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:35,170
that for at least 50 years up to that

615
00:26:41,370 --> 00:26:38,590
point in major publications atomized the

616
00:26:42,659 --> 00:26:41,380
Arctic there are many many different

617
00:26:45,989 --> 00:26:42,669
people you know

618
00:26:48,899 --> 00:26:45,999
UNESCO that was booked Huxley said that

619
00:26:51,989 --> 00:26:48,909
let's atomized the Arctic you know for

620
00:26:54,869 --> 00:26:51,999
50 years there the entire rave was the

621
00:26:56,639 --> 00:26:54,879
discussion of melting the poles I don't

622
00:26:59,310 --> 00:26:56,649
think anybody thinks that's a good idea

623
00:27:01,320 --> 00:26:59,320
now I mean can you've talked to all

624
00:27:03,629 --> 00:27:01,330
these scientists welcome but actually

625
00:27:06,299 --> 00:27:03,639
and I get melting the outside up with

626
00:27:09,149 --> 00:27:06,309
the answer yes it's it's still a very

627
00:27:11,220 --> 00:27:09,159
real thing but then that bracelet levels

628
00:27:14,249 --> 00:27:11,230
rather roll up they don't they don't

629
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:14,259
care I think yeah I think they care well

630
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:16,809
I think I think it's more about I think

631
00:27:21,539 --> 00:27:19,330
it's more of a tug of war you have the

632
00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:21,549
oil industry on the one hand which is

633
00:27:26,970 --> 00:27:23,470
damn been determined to get to the

634
00:27:30,239 --> 00:27:26,980
resources under that ice if you think

635
00:27:32,909 --> 00:27:30,249
the new you can do this available want

636
00:27:34,919 --> 00:27:32,919
to melt Antarctica so if they can get

637
00:27:39,389 --> 00:27:34,929
more oil at the same time they're going

638
00:27:42,029 --> 00:27:39,399
to destroy New York well I mean if you

639
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:42,039
look at disaster capitalism that's the

640
00:27:45,869 --> 00:27:43,690
way things always work do you think that

641
00:27:48,029 --> 00:27:45,879
the fracking industry cares about you

642
00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:48,039
know putting poison into aquifers I

643
00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:49,720
think that's not just care about New

644
00:27:54,979 --> 00:27:52,389
York and Florida and that's where I live

645
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:54,989
Sacramento they don't get underwater to

646
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:57,850
really do that and that's why I say it's

647
00:28:00,450 --> 00:27:58,480
a tug of war

648
00:28:02,099 --> 00:28:00,460
I mean it's the one yeah it's pretty

649
00:28:03,899 --> 00:28:02,109
extreme what you're suggesting here this

650
00:28:06,659 --> 00:28:03,909
is suggesting my brother

651
00:28:09,299 --> 00:28:06,669
think I don't think it's extreme at all

652
00:28:10,979 --> 00:28:09,309
in in fact when when you look at what's

653
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:10,989
going on I mean would just take the

654
00:28:16,499 --> 00:28:13,690
airline industry for example on the one

655
00:28:19,289 --> 00:28:16,509
hand I've got 35 documents talking about

656
00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:19,299
adding fuels on fuel so sulfur content

657
00:28:26,849 --> 00:28:23,940
to airline jet fuel to cool the planet

658
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:26,859
biofuels for contrail control they're

659
00:28:32,430 --> 00:28:29,529
doing that access flights 1 & 2 the nd

660
00:28:36,269 --> 00:28:32,440
max flights now with Germany's DLR NASA

661
00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:36,279
and in the rest and they're talking

662
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:38,200
about you know taking accidental

663
00:28:43,139 --> 00:28:40,330
geoengineering from aircraft and turning

664
00:28:47,399 --> 00:28:43,149
it into cooling clouds Ulrich Schumann

665
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:47,409
at the ICAO colloquium on contrail

666
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:50,769
mitigation he said we want less warming

667
00:28:56,610 --> 00:28:54,539
more cooling contrails predictable for

668
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:56,620
operational control

669
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:00,640
when I look a good idea yeah okay to you

670
00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:03,640
it does and when i spoke to dr. ranga

671
00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:05,230
say how authority from the aviation

672
00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:07,240
climate change research initiative at

673
00:29:12,899 --> 00:29:07,870
the faa

674
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:12,909
i interviewed him you remember he said

675
00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:16,000
we want more contrail induce cirrus

676
00:29:23,820 --> 00:29:20,830
clouds by day and nun by night and to

677
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:23,830
just put a you know a coating on the

678
00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:27,130
whole thing you know then there was the

679
00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:30,580
idea of cocktail geoengineering cut out

680
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:32,950
by ken caldera and company and what they

681
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:35,950
said was if we could use cirrus cloud

682
00:29:42,930 --> 00:29:39,760
thinning in the arctic and still create

683
00:29:45,690 --> 00:29:42,940
clouds by day and do them in certain

684
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:45,700
targeted locations then we could cool

685
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:49,570
the planet by a cocktail geoengineering

686
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:54,299
so what was accidental geoengineering is

687
00:30:00,659 --> 00:29:57,760
now becoming an active experiment with

688
00:30:02,430 --> 00:30:00,669
just the contrails and this is a fact

689
00:30:04,110 --> 00:30:02,440
well i think you say it's an an active

690
00:30:06,659 --> 00:30:04,120
experiment which kind of implies that

691
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:06,669
they're actually doing something rather

692
00:30:11,639 --> 00:30:08,460
than just simply studying the effects of

693
00:30:14,940 --> 00:30:11,649
of contrails no and i don't think is

694
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:14,950
actually trying to shift contrails more

695
00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:16,570
toward tonight i mean the idea here is

696
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,350
that at night and so away from Nyjah at

697
00:30:24,299 --> 00:30:22,480
night time clouds act as an insulating

698
00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:24,309
blanket and keep warm then and in the

699
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,169
daytime they reflect the sun's rays and

700
00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:28,960
they essentially make things cooler so

701
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:30,460
the idea is you would have more

702
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,010
contrails at night necessary in the day

703
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,960
and that would cool the planet but

704
00:30:39,659 --> 00:30:36,960
you're you're saying that's an active

705
00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:39,669
experiment but no one's actually doing

706
00:30:43,529 --> 00:30:41,470
anything with that other one studying

707
00:30:47,549 --> 00:30:43,539
the effects of things to see what

708
00:30:49,230 --> 00:30:47,559
happened um well I mean let's just look

709
00:30:51,330 --> 00:30:49,240
at the way things are going what the

710
00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:51,340
what the stated purposes of these

711
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:53,950
experiments are I mean the article

712
00:30:59,610 --> 00:30:56,799
originally was 2013 biofuels for

713
00:31:02,340 --> 00:30:59,620
contrail control they've done access one

714
00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:02,350
and two aviation cruise control and

715
00:31:09,180 --> 00:31:07,000
cruise effects of alternative aviation

716
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:09,190
fuel I mean the idea is

717
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:13,090
they are you when I've got 20 papers

718
00:31:18,540 --> 00:31:15,970
that say let's add fuel sulfur to the

719
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:18,550
you know add sulfur to the jet fuel to

720
00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:21,250
cool the plane and then in the access

721
00:31:27,210 --> 00:31:25,060
flights they tested a biofuel a 50-50

722
00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:27,220
mix of biofuel which is called a drop in

723
00:31:34,410 --> 00:31:29,950
fuel so it's biofuel and jp-8 and then

724
00:31:36,450 --> 00:31:34,420
they tested jp-8 doped with sulfur and i

725
00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:36,460
asked dr. rang say health or yesterday

726
00:31:40,650 --> 00:31:39,040
why were you guys testing the jp-8 doped

727
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,660
with sulfur you would not give me a

728
00:31:46,140 --> 00:31:42,880
straight answer and the answer is very

729
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:46,150
simple that they know that sulfur has a

730
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:48,130
cooling effect and then if they could

731
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:50,650
increase the fuel sulfur content of jet

732
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:52,810
fuel that it would cool the planet

733
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:55,630
that's their theory which is no

734
00:31:59,610 --> 00:31:57,490
different than David Keyes theory or

735
00:32:02,580 --> 00:31:59,620
King called their theory about you know

736
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:02,590
stratospheric sulfur injections that if

737
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:04,210
they could put enough sulfur up there

738
00:32:11,310 --> 00:32:07,030
they would cool the planet so is it an

739
00:32:13,470 --> 00:32:11,320
active experiment no it is actively

740
00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:13,480
being experimented on that's being

741
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:15,940
studied it's being studied at the end

742
00:32:23,370 --> 00:32:18,640
Emax eat cliff - right now this is the

743
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:23,380
third series a biofuel tests there are

744
00:32:30,030 --> 00:32:26,170
already many major airlines flying

745
00:32:32,580 --> 00:32:30,040
biofuels and the flip side of this is

746
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:32,590
there are other proponents out there

747
00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:34,510
saying it's gonna cause more climate

748
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:36,550
change because now you're growing

749
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:41,110
gasoline and monoculture crops lead to

750
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:44,770
soil erosion and so it's like the only

751
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:48,880
solution they have to this contrail

752
00:32:54,210 --> 00:32:51,370
conundrum it you know which was

753
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:54,220
highlighted by Jasper Kirkby at CERN you

754
00:33:00,660 --> 00:32:57,690
know in his cloud project that basically

755
00:33:02,850 --> 00:33:00,670
they're their only solution is biofuels

756
00:33:05,790 --> 00:33:02,860
right now I went and I spoke at the EPA

757
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:05,800
hearing on fly pollution and you know of

758
00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:07,450
course I told everybody in public this

759
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:10,750
is about chemtrails because I said this

760
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:12,610
is dr. rangatahi how Authority I said

761
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:14,170
this and I want to ask you what you

762
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:18,730
think about this thought if if one were

763
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:22,850
to you know if

764
00:33:29,290 --> 00:33:25,610
where to point it like say I point at a

765
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,300
cloud and I say chemtrail and then you

766
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:31,760
point at the same cloud and you say

767
00:33:39,730 --> 00:33:36,890
contrail that we're both right the at

768
00:33:43,090 --> 00:33:39,740
the end of the day these are just words

769
00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:43,100
being used describe what we see and

770
00:33:46,990 --> 00:33:45,470
perception is reality

771
00:33:49,210 --> 00:33:47,000
I wouldn't say then just words though

772
00:33:50,650 --> 00:33:49,220
people have a very different reaction if

773
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:50,660
you say that's the chemtrail versus

774
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:53,090
that's a contrail because people the

775
00:33:57,970 --> 00:33:55,250
people the the connotation of a chem

776
00:34:00,910 --> 00:33:57,980
trail is some kind of either toxic

777
00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:00,920
spraying or some kind of deliberate

778
00:34:05,770 --> 00:34:03,380
spraying whereas a contrail is just an

779
00:34:08,410 --> 00:34:05,780
ordinary contrails so I think there is a

780
00:34:11,650 --> 00:34:08,420
very big difference in the way you label

781
00:34:13,570 --> 00:34:11,660
things and you know if you're gonna call

782
00:34:14,770 --> 00:34:13,580
something a chem trail I think you

783
00:34:16,090 --> 00:34:14,780
really need to have more than just

784
00:34:18,130 --> 00:34:16,100
saying oh that's just what I'm calling

785
00:34:21,970 --> 00:34:18,140
contrails now because they have this

786
00:34:24,220 --> 00:34:21,980
effect well I mean at the same time I

787
00:34:27,310 --> 00:34:24,230
have a completely different definition

788
00:34:28,690 --> 00:34:27,320
they can drill in you so and you know I

789
00:34:32,110 --> 00:34:28,700
was speaking when you can't just use

790
00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:32,120
your own definition of what other people

791
00:34:36,670 --> 00:34:33,950
write by this way

792
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:36,680
Chris falling was the director of heart

793
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:40,370
okay I was just an affiliate today yeah

794
00:34:46,420 --> 00:34:42,310
I talked to him on the phone regularly

795
00:34:50,610 --> 00:34:46,430
and I'm gonna be doing an interview with

796
00:34:53,350 --> 00:34:50,620
him soon I was debating with Fox

797
00:34:57,010 --> 00:34:53,360
meteorologist Paul Delgado about this

798
00:34:58,420 --> 00:34:57,020
topic and what I said to him was look

799
00:35:01,480 --> 00:34:58,430
chemtrails can mean many different

800
00:35:06,430 --> 00:35:01,490
things sounding Rockets are chemtrails

801
00:35:11,530 --> 00:35:06,440
and he said oh that's just BS and of

802
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:11,540
course Chris fallin tweeted actually Jim

803
00:35:15,790 --> 00:35:13,850
is right you know we release a little

804
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:15,800
tri methyl aluminum will you've released

805
00:35:21,370 --> 00:35:18,710
lithium we release barium we lease

806
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:21,380
really strontium in the past we've

807
00:35:28,270 --> 00:35:24,710
released cesium 137 these are immense

808
00:35:31,350 --> 00:35:28,280
documents in other words dating will

809
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:31,360
chemtrail legitimate chemtrail science

810
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:35,090
evidence yeah you're again you're

811
00:35:38,140 --> 00:35:36,530
confusing people you

812
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:38,150
why don't you just say what these things

813
00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:40,510
actually are like sounding Rockets

814
00:35:44,830 --> 00:35:42,830
rocailles they're basically up into

815
00:35:47,530 --> 00:35:44,840
space I say that in my videos and then

816
00:35:49,570 --> 00:35:47,540
you say yeah you said then you say that

817
00:35:50,830 --> 00:35:49,580
these are actually chemtrails though

818
00:35:53,290 --> 00:35:50,840
that's just doing a pretty loose

819
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,300
definition of a term like saying a trail

820
00:35:57,580 --> 00:35:55,040
what comes out of the back of something

821
00:35:59,530 --> 00:35:57,590
that contains chemicals or is being

822
00:36:01,330 --> 00:35:59,540
sprayed out of the bug music intro so

823
00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:01,340
why don't you well crop dust what is the

824
00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:03,550
kind of real what does that equals a

825
00:36:10,030 --> 00:36:06,500
condensation trail right what is a

826
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:10,040
chemical trail it's that's my point

827
00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:12,410
about all of this is that people are so

828
00:36:19,810 --> 00:36:16,990
focused on semantics your reaction is

829
00:36:21,850 --> 00:36:19,820
very much focused on semantics because

830
00:36:23,590 --> 00:36:21,860
I've read the anatomy of slaves speak

831
00:36:25,690 --> 00:36:23,600
and I understand how you can control

832
00:36:27,730 --> 00:36:25,700
people through words and that's what a

833
00:36:29,830 --> 00:36:27,740
lot of this debate is about the control

834
00:36:31,570 --> 00:36:29,840
of individuals through the use of words

835
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:31,580
but you're just making your own

836
00:36:35,980 --> 00:36:34,010
definitions of the things I'm not

837
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:35,990
actually making in my definition of the

838
00:36:41,050 --> 00:36:38,690
the basis of the word chemtrail is

839
00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:41,060
chemical trail the basis thorn contrail

840
00:36:47,410 --> 00:36:44,390
condensation trail if trails

841
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:47,420
do you know of well sounding Rockets

842
00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:50,000
happens to be one biological weapons

843
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:52,670
happens to be one but oil dispersion

844
00:36:57,250 --> 00:36:56,330
sprays happens to be one agent orange is

845
00:37:01,630 --> 00:36:57,260
a chem trail

846
00:37:03,940 --> 00:37:01,640
car exhaust ouch car exhaust is a chem

847
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:03,950
trail breathing breathing it's a chem

848
00:37:07,330 --> 00:37:06,110
trail because the carbon dioxide and

849
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,340
other chemicals that come out to be

850
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:09,920
American you breathe at the same time it

851
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:11,690
becomes meaningless it becomes

852
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:13,130
meaningless et just saying is something

853
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:14,480
that's coming out to something that

854
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:17,210
contains chemicals it's a chem trail it

855
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:18,110
doesn't mean anything

856
00:37:22,030 --> 00:37:20,510
you company clear using people you're

857
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:22,040
confusing I'm naughty with these things

858
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:25,330
but that's the thing I started off with

859
00:37:31,390 --> 00:37:28,720
chemtrails from space and then I say

860
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,400
what is this chem trail from space I'm

861
00:37:35,770 --> 00:37:32,960
talking about they are called black

862
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:35,780
grant sounding Rockets they are used to

863
00:37:41,530 --> 00:37:38,720
study upper atmospheric winds they are

864
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:41,540
used as tracers to see the Van Allen

865
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:43,490
belts and the magnetic field lines which

866
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:46,310
are invisible these metals stick to them

867
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:48,050
that's what the same thing they do when

868
00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:49,690
you get a cat scanner and

869
00:37:54,270 --> 00:37:52,360
right so where I'm not trying to confuse

870
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:54,280
people what I'm actually doing is saying

871
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,280
look you've heard the word chemtrail I

872
00:38:01,740 --> 00:37:59,680
don't think you really understand what

873
00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:01,750
all of these different things mean I'm

874
00:38:07,070 --> 00:38:04,030
going to explain to you and give you the

875
00:38:08,970 --> 00:38:07,080
references so you tell me any other

876
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:08,980
conspiracy guy because I'm not a

877
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:13,450
conspiracy I focus on facts that will go

878
00:38:18,180 --> 00:38:16,510
and say look I'm Thai I'm a have called

879
00:38:20,060 --> 00:38:18,190
it chemtrails from space but I'm going

880
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:20,070
to talk to you about the combined

881
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,210
radiation released experimental

882
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:24,880
satellite and the Arecibo ionosphere

883
00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:26,890
heater that he you know heated those

884
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:28,780
chemicals I'm gonna give you the

885
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:30,310
experiments I'm going to show you the

886
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:32,890
payloads I'm gonna tell you why they did

887
00:38:39,090 --> 00:38:35,680
it how they did it when they did it map

888
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,100
it put it in a time line on I'm trying

889
00:38:43,710 --> 00:38:41,040
to educate people on the facts behind

890
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:43,720
weather modification geoengineering and

891
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:45,730
space weather modification depressing

892
00:38:48,810 --> 00:38:47,290
though is that you start out calling

893
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:48,820
things chemtrails and then you say look

894
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:50,710
his evidence of chemtrails like NASA's

895
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:53,290
doing this sounding rockets and most

896
00:38:57,090 --> 00:38:55,450
people are not going to go beyond that

897
00:38:59,100 --> 00:38:57,100
they're going to hear you say like this

898
00:39:01,230 --> 00:38:59,110
this is his chemtrails his evidence of

899
00:39:03,210 --> 00:39:01,240
chemtrails and you see it all the time

900
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:03,220
I'm sure you've seen people who I post

901
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:04,810
like pictures of the sounding rockets

902
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:06,070
there were those recent ones that were

903
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:07,330
done where they did for like five at

904
00:39:12,930 --> 00:39:10,510
once gave this really everybody yeah and

905
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:12,940
they say look these are chemtrails and

906
00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:15,010
they don't go beyond that so by calling

907
00:39:18,330 --> 00:39:16,750
them chemtrails you're actually really

908
00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:18,340
distracting from what they really are

909
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:19,960
you should start out just saying these

910
00:39:24,540 --> 00:39:22,090
are sounding rockets if you say that

911
00:39:27,090 --> 00:39:24,550
they are chemtrails as less essentially

912
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:27,100
giving validity to the whole ridiculous

913
00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:28,720
chemtrails theory that there's all this

914
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:30,190
deliberate spraying going on constantly

915
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:35,520
and you're I mean I would love to

916
00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:37,810
disagree with you but I mean you can go

917
00:39:42,020 --> 00:39:39,820
to climate eurocom right now and on the

918
00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:42,030
front page it says project Azure

919
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:45,550
sounding rocket chemtrails from space I

920
00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:48,910
mean I've straight-up saying the name of

921
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:51,460
the project they are sounding rockets

922
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:54,400
then I say chemtrails from space but

923
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,890
even in my little subtitle I say barium

924
00:40:01,290 --> 00:39:58,240
strontium and tri methyl aluminum

925
00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:01,300
chemical releases from NASA funded

926
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:03,660
auroral zone upwelling rocket

927
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:05,910
experiment Azur and then i give you

928
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,940
links to the website from the grande an

929
00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:11,280
ich the the grand challenge the

930
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:12,990
initiative they have going on where

931
00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:14,220
they're gonna try to launch all these

932
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:17,400
rockets over the next couple years what

933
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:20,520
they're studying the ground-based radars

934
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:22,710
that are you know being shot into these

935
00:40:26,809 --> 00:40:25,049
I'm trying to fill people with facts so

936
00:40:30,049 --> 00:40:26,819
that's great no that's great but I just

937
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:30,059
I I really feel that using the word

938
00:40:33,529 --> 00:40:31,710
chemtrails I mean do you do it

939
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:33,539
deliberately to kind of draw people in

940
00:40:36,529 --> 00:40:35,400
like you know chemtrails and then you

941
00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:36,539
tell them yes I do

942
00:40:41,779 --> 00:40:39,480
true are very clear very clearly said

943
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:41,789
for years you know originally all I

944
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:44,130
talked about was you know jet exhaust

945
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:47,490
and what I would do is say hey man you

946
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:49,530
want to know about chemtrails everybody

947
00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:51,510
talks about aluminum barium well let's

948
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:53,460
get to the bottom of this is there

949
00:40:59,599 --> 00:40:56,880
aluminum barium in chemtrails and you

950
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,609
know I've got a one of my most popular

951
00:41:04,099 --> 00:41:01,680
articles on climate viewer calm is

952
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:04,109
aluminum barium and chemtrails explain

953
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:07,770
just the facts and I mean I point to the

954
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,680
IPCC report not three point two point

955
00:41:14,839 --> 00:41:12,480
three point two metal particles and they

956
00:41:17,269 --> 00:41:14,849
say metal particles comprising elements

957
00:41:21,140 --> 00:41:17,279
such as aluminum titanium chromium from

958
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:21,150
iron nickel and barium meatballs a lot

959
00:41:25,549 --> 00:41:23,460
of people take that now you have you say

960
00:41:27,769 --> 00:41:25,559
you found aluminum and barium in in

961
00:41:31,069 --> 00:41:27,779
contrails or jet exhaust and they say oh

962
00:41:33,099 --> 00:41:31,079
look proof of chemtrails and they say oh

963
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:33,109
this is proof of a covert geo and edging

964
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:35,220
program so you're giving them a

965
00:41:39,260 --> 00:41:37,529
disinformation I think by kind of

966
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:39,270
leading with the idea that it's

967
00:41:41,660 --> 00:41:40,020
chemtrails

968
00:41:43,099 --> 00:41:41,670
is that all they're going to do is

969
00:41:44,930 --> 00:41:43,109
they're going to take these these the

970
00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:44,940
bits that they like like and your title

971
00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:46,950
like protectors or sounding rockets

972
00:41:50,660 --> 00:41:49,140
chemtrails from space people are going

973
00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:50,670
to take those being actually chemtrails

974
00:41:55,329 --> 00:41:52,230
from space most people don't read the

975
00:41:57,740 --> 00:41:55,339
articles most people a lot of thing

976
00:41:59,870 --> 00:41:57,750
those people don't read the articles I

977
00:42:02,660 --> 00:41:59,880
look at my statistics I realize that

978
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:02,670
people watch you if I do a hour-long

979
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:05,369
video they watch 15 minutes of it if I

980
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:08,640
do write an article you look at the time

981
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:12,089
on pages 2 minutes 30 seconds nobody

982
00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:13,410
could have read that article in that

983
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:15,630
amount of time so I understand the

984
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:17,460
problem of attention deficit

985
00:42:23,180 --> 00:42:20,609
sorter I understand that it's TLDR you

986
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:23,190
know most people are like that but I

987
00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:25,710
don't cater to that that audience you

988
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:28,020
have to understand that the most emails

989
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:30,900
I get from or other climate scientists I

990
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:33,210
mean that's the that's the bulk of my

991
00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:36,210
you know audience are of course on

992
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:38,339
YouTube it's different YouTube you have

993
00:42:42,940 --> 00:42:40,380
every single you know different kind of

994
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:42,950
person it's you know a schoolyard

995
00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:45,300
basically you never know who's going to

996
00:42:49,579 --> 00:42:47,460
show up or how they're gonna interpret

997
00:42:52,010 --> 00:42:49,589
what you're saying but I don't really

998
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:52,020
cater to those people because you know

999
00:42:57,890 --> 00:42:55,650
obviously if I if I did if I filled my

1000
00:42:59,120 --> 00:42:57,900
stuff full of fear for I'd have three

1001
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:59,130
hundred five hundred thousand

1002
00:43:03,050 --> 00:43:00,480
subscribers I'm not trying to make a

1003
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:03,060
living doing this I'm doing this because

1004
00:43:07,099 --> 00:43:05,310
I'm interested in the topic now I want

1005
00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:07,109
to know the facts behind it and I think

1006
00:43:12,410 --> 00:43:09,380
that you there are a small majority

1007
00:43:14,589 --> 00:43:12,420
majority of people who are interested in

1008
00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:14,599
the science behind this so well I

1009
00:43:18,980 --> 00:43:16,950
appreciate that and I you know I think

1010
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:18,990
it's great that you're trying to educate

1011
00:43:22,930 --> 00:43:20,940
people you know you've got a quite a

1012
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:22,940
following in the chemtrail community

1013
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:26,490
people people saw you you went so to the

1014
00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:28,200
EPA they had an open hearing where

1015
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:30,390
people could speak about I think it was

1016
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:32,450
like the Kevin dioxide regulations and

1017
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:35,490
you were there and Patrick radhiya was

1018
00:43:40,070 --> 00:43:38,130
there and Patrick ruddy is kind of like

1019
00:43:42,910 --> 00:43:40,080
a hardcore Kentrell guy who thinks that

1020
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:42,920
everything he sees in the sky is a

1021
00:43:49,310 --> 00:43:46,200
evidence of of geoengineering and you

1022
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:49,320
agree but they leave yes so here's

1023
00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:50,089
something other

1024
00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:53,030
so let me here's the thing with that

1025
00:43:59,480 --> 00:43:57,420
what happened was an individual who is a

1026
00:44:02,690 --> 00:43:59,490
hacker friend of mine said hey look I

1027
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,700
found this text file on a epa ftp server

1028
00:44:08,530 --> 00:44:04,800
so it's a file transfer protocol server

1029
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:08,540
that was announcing hey we're gonna do a

1030
00:44:14,420 --> 00:44:11,730
public you know we have public input on

1031
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,430
this and if necessary we will have a

1032
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:17,040
hearing so i submitted and right you

1033
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:19,530
know in writing that i would like to be

1034
00:44:24,890 --> 00:44:22,140
a part of a hearing loop senior policy

1035
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:24,900
analyst loose from the epa lucio that

1036
00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:26,460
called me and try to talk me out of

1037
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:28,680
coming this video is on my youtube you

1038
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:29,970
can listen to her

1039
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:33,450
beg me not to come and I said no I think

1040
00:44:37,849 --> 00:44:35,730
we should do this anyway and we ended up

1041
00:44:40,310 --> 00:44:37,859
so because I was the only person who

1042
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:40,320
actually said so they then had to post

1043
00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:44,490
it on the EPA website so then I see you

1044
00:44:49,099 --> 00:44:46,950
the itinerary of all the the airline

1045
00:44:51,530 --> 00:44:49,109
industry representative pilots

1046
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:51,540
associations going to be there Sierra

1047
00:44:56,660 --> 00:44:53,640
Club all these people are gonna be there

1048
00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:56,670
I said well it'd be a shame for me to be

1049
00:45:02,900 --> 00:44:59,130
the only person to go you know that is

1050
00:45:05,180 --> 00:45:02,910
the dissenter so why don't I take some

1051
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:05,190
people that have different opinions than

1052
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:07,710
me and invite them to come as well

1053
00:45:15,020 --> 00:45:10,260
so of course Madison star moon Amanda

1054
00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:15,030
Bay's I invited her because to me you

1055
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:17,640
know even though and I've told this to

1056
00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:19,710
her on the phone that I think she's

1057
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:24,119
crazy and she you know we she knows how

1058
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,490
I feel about her and she doesn't know

1059
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:28,800
how she feels about me but regardless I

1060
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:30,450
told her I said even though I don't

1061
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:32,940
agree with you on everything what you

1062
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:35,490
have done is you've been one of the most

1063
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:37,290
vocal you know people I know

1064
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:39,930
calling government institutions I mean

1065
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:42,570
that's what you do all day long and the

1066
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:43,890
thing that they never give you is a

1067
00:45:51,020 --> 00:45:46,410
straight answer um so I'd like you to

1068
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,030
come and Max bliss he got word of what

1069
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:53,760
was going on and he called me he's like

1070
00:45:59,480 --> 00:45:55,770
how do I get in on this thing max us

1071
00:46:01,700 --> 00:45:59,490
from France so I explained to him the

1072
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:01,710
process I said you know you'd seen your

1073
00:46:05,210 --> 00:46:03,780
email here if you want to be a speaker

1074
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,220
and I don't know that they'd let a

1075
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:08,000
foreigner in but give it a shot and

1076
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:11,730
interestingly enough Patrick grotty was

1077
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:13,740
sitting in the room with max bliss at

1078
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:16,800
the time I don't I mean that guy I don't

1079
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:19,410
know how we're how he gets to fly around

1080
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:22,140
the globe like he does but regardless he

1081
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:23,760
was sitting next to my explicit he's

1082
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:27,180
like hey Jim never met you before what

1083
00:46:33,020 --> 00:46:30,810
if I come to and I'm like okay I mean I

1084
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:33,030
didn't know anything about Patrick Roddy

1085
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:34,910
at the time to be quite honest with I

1086
00:46:39,260 --> 00:46:36,450
didn't know who he was

1087
00:46:41,660 --> 00:46:39,270
and Michael Saracino was a follower of

1088
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:41,670
mine on Twitter he actually gave one of

1089
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:43,529
the most sobering

1090
00:46:48,689 --> 00:46:45,609
discussions there where he talked about

1091
00:46:51,659 --> 00:46:48,699
the rates of autism around airports you

1092
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:51,669
know and the link to breathing in metal

1093
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:55,359
aerosols in black carbon and he saw he

1094
00:47:00,749 --> 00:46:57,729
cited more scientific papers than any

1095
00:47:04,649 --> 00:47:00,759
than anybody else and in fact then

1096
00:47:07,019 --> 00:47:04,659
everybody else combined his published

1097
00:47:08,489 --> 00:47:07,029
his paper on climate viewer daikon for

1098
00:47:12,439 --> 00:47:08,499
everybody to read because I thought it

1099
00:47:15,539 --> 00:47:12,449
was that good so at the end of the day

1100
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:15,549
it's the same idea that I said to dr.

1101
00:47:21,269 --> 00:47:18,609
ranga say how authority i you may not

1102
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:21,279
know this but amanda had me on her radio

1103
00:47:26,219 --> 00:47:24,249
show we actually called dr. angus Ayala

1104
00:47:28,979 --> 00:47:26,229
thorry three separate times we had three

1105
00:47:32,849 --> 00:47:28,989
separate discussions and what I said to

1106
00:47:34,499 --> 00:47:32,859
him was why would Amanda calls you you

1107
00:47:37,649 --> 00:47:34,509
know when he cut when she calls the FAA

1108
00:47:40,139 --> 00:47:37,659
and she says I see all these chemtrails

1109
00:47:43,169 --> 00:47:40,149
over my house they're blocking out the

1110
00:47:45,899 --> 00:47:43,179
Sun I don't like it why is the FAA come

1111
00:47:48,179 --> 00:47:45,909
back and say Kim trails are not a thing

1112
00:47:51,289 --> 00:47:48,189
those are condensation trails and they

1113
00:47:54,299 --> 00:47:51,299
are perfectly normal instead of saying

1114
00:47:56,789 --> 00:47:54,309
we here at the FAA take chemtrails

1115
00:47:59,489 --> 00:47:56,799
seriously in fact we understand that the

1116
00:48:01,799 --> 00:47:59,499
climate implications of these cirrus

1117
00:48:05,149 --> 00:48:01,809
clouds that are being created by planes

1118
00:48:09,229 --> 00:48:05,159
is so grave that we are trying to use

1119
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:09,239
biofuels and innovate next-generation

1120
00:48:14,969 --> 00:48:12,609
transportation systems to avoid the

1121
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:14,979
climate effects of aviation and the

1122
00:48:20,279 --> 00:48:17,529
pollution that's created by it that

1123
00:48:23,729 --> 00:48:20,289
would get much more honest answer well I

1124
00:48:25,259 --> 00:48:23,739
think you you just the white trails in

1125
00:48:27,629 --> 00:48:25,269
that mouth like you know I think

1126
00:48:28,979 --> 00:48:27,639
wouldn't start use the word chemtrails

1127
00:48:30,509 --> 00:48:28,989
because the in taste it would say

1128
00:48:32,459 --> 00:48:30,519
chemtrails aren't a thing because really

1129
00:48:34,469 --> 00:48:32,469
chemtrails aren't a thing and they the

1130
00:48:35,939 --> 00:48:34,479
common understanding of the term which

1131
00:48:38,399 --> 00:48:35,949
is this this large-scale spraying

1132
00:48:40,259 --> 00:48:38,409
program now you you have a different

1133
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,269
definition of chemtrails

1134
00:48:44,879 --> 00:48:43,119
so yeah I don't think they every the

1135
00:48:46,889 --> 00:48:44,889
difference is he actually agreed with me

1136
00:48:48,899 --> 00:48:46,899
he says you know actually I think we

1137
00:48:50,759 --> 00:48:48,909
could do a better job on that if it

1138
00:48:54,149 --> 00:48:50,769
didn't don't worry with you chemtrails

1139
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,159
are a thing except in your semantic

1140
00:49:00,750 --> 00:48:56,800
version of it the problem is if it

1141
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:00,760
the EPA or the FAA says that chemtrails

1142
00:49:05,130 --> 00:49:03,550
are if you use the word chemtrails then

1143
00:49:06,450 --> 00:49:05,140
all of a sudden everybody's going to say

1144
00:49:08,550 --> 00:49:06,460
oh that's an admission that they've been

1145
00:49:12,030 --> 00:49:08,560
spraying us for years when obviously

1146
00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:12,040
that's that's not true except as again

1147
00:49:15,660 --> 00:49:13,150
in a semantic way and that there's

1148
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:15,670
pollution from planes so has looks I

1149
00:49:20,490 --> 00:49:17,890
mean let's be realistic about this both

1150
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:20,500
you and I know the contrails have

1151
00:49:24,690 --> 00:49:22,330
persisted and created cirrus clouds

1152
00:49:27,540 --> 00:49:24,700
since the early 50s right since those

1153
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:27,550
twenty mostly yeah I mean as far back as

1154
00:49:33,110 --> 00:49:30,160
we've been flying even when propeller

1155
00:49:38,460 --> 00:49:33,120
planes yes they've been creating clouds

1156
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:38,470
my favorite article was 1958 palms Jets

1157
00:49:45,630 --> 00:49:41,940
jet trails dim Sun Palm Springs gripes

1158
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:45,640
followed up by the next year Air Force

1159
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:48,250
tells city of Palm Springs live with the

1160
00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:51,760
trails or move the city I mean and then

1161
00:49:57,390 --> 00:49:54,820
in 1972 the state of Illinois in New

1162
00:50:00,540 --> 00:49:57,400
Jersey sued the airline industry over

1163
00:50:03,780 --> 00:50:00,550
making clouds I mean right but these are

1164
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:03,790
contrails know as the FAA would say just

1165
00:50:07,830 --> 00:50:06,160
ordinary contrails and basically live

1166
00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:07,840
with it like everybody else is doing

1167
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:09,910
most people they see this like they see

1168
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:11,410
controls all the time and they couldn't

1169
00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:13,210
care one word the other because they

1170
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:14,740
grew up with them they used to the fact

1171
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:17,890
that we have contrails in the sky but if

1172
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:19,650
people become convinced that they are

1173
00:50:24,540 --> 00:50:22,960
chemtrails then it takes on a whole

1174
00:50:27,390 --> 00:50:24,550
different meaning so I really wouldn't

1175
00:50:31,230 --> 00:50:27,400
and you know expect the FAA to start

1176
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:31,240
using the term chemtrails well I don't

1177
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:33,010
expect them to use the word chemtrails

1178
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:34,450
but you know the true sign of

1179
00:50:39,780 --> 00:50:36,610
intelligence is to speak to a person on

1180
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:39,790
their level and be understood and like I

1181
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:42,160
said to him if I go outside and I point

1182
00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:44,170
at the sky and I pointed the cloud and I

1183
00:50:48,810 --> 00:50:46,870
say chemtrail and a scientist goes out

1184
00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:48,820
of the sky I pointed the exact same

1185
00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:51,880
cloud and says contrail both people are

1186
00:50:57,930 --> 00:50:54,910
right because at the end of the day and

1187
00:50:59,310 --> 00:50:57,940
I respectfully you understand that you

1188
00:51:02,550 --> 00:50:59,320
will disagree with that and I'm okay

1189
00:51:04,740 --> 00:51:02,560
with that but the problem is that it's

1190
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:04,750
just a word being used to describe a

1191
00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:07,530
cloud whether the individual doesn't

1192
00:51:12,620 --> 00:51:09,180
understand

1193
00:51:15,380 --> 00:51:12,630
that this is not a chemical poison that

1194
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:15,390
is sprayed to eradicate the planet or

1195
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:17,400
it's an intentional geoengineering

1196
00:51:23,870 --> 00:51:20,640
program that when they call it a

1197
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:23,880
Kentrell that's slang and it can be an

1198
00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:26,970
overarching term it is used by many

1199
00:51:33,650 --> 00:51:29,849
different people it is you know infected

1200
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:33,660
many parts of our society so when they

1201
00:51:38,359 --> 00:51:35,640
deal with somebody who may not be as

1202
00:51:41,059 --> 00:51:38,369
smart as you and I that they should be

1203
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,069
more receptive to their public input

1204
00:51:45,620 --> 00:51:42,960
when they call the FA and say I'm

1205
00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:45,630
concerned about this and say look you

1206
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:47,160
know I understand that you believe these

1207
00:51:52,789 --> 00:51:50,400
are chemtrails even though we think

1208
00:51:56,059 --> 00:51:52,799
they're we know that they are contrails

1209
00:51:59,180 --> 00:51:56,069
I understand your concern with them

1210
00:52:01,579 --> 00:51:59,190
blocking out the Sun and I mean God the

1211
00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:01,589
EC article telescopes will be useless by

1212
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:06,329
2050 because of air traffic that's a

1213
00:52:11,180 --> 00:52:08,910
real-world concern solar energy there

1214
00:52:12,769 --> 00:52:11,190
are real concerns regarding contrails

1215
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:12,779
but you know like I said I don't think

1216
00:52:15,620 --> 00:52:14,579
that kind of chemtrails is the answer

1217
00:52:17,299 --> 00:52:15,630
but you know I think we could probably

1218
00:52:19,339 --> 00:52:17,309
go back and forth on this it's gonna

1219
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:19,349
have an old argument that we've had over

1220
00:52:23,260 --> 00:52:21,510
the years also clearly we have had this

1221
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,270
argument for a very long time I would

1222
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:26,160
talk to you like real briefly about we

1223
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:29,220
do have much time left about you don't

1224
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:32,250
you mentioned fear porn earlier and you

1225
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:33,569
have an article on your site about

1226
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,480
Nibiru and I guess this is something

1227
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,160
that you you know obviously don't

1228
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:39,839
believe that the Nibiru is the idea that

1229
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:43,890
this this this planet in the solar

1230
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:46,170
system which is doing something you know

1231
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,970
coming towards Earth orbiting the Sun

1232
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:49,680
and people have make all these

1233
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:51,690
prophecies about it and stuff and you've

1234
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:53,130
you've written about this

1235
00:52:59,930 --> 00:52:54,660
I guess it's actually from a debunking

1236
00:53:02,960 --> 00:52:59,940
perspective it is actually um so that

1237
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:02,970
this is why you know and I thank you in

1238
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:05,760
part for you my position on chemtrails

1239
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:09,960
to be quite honest with you early on I

1240
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,140
was I would say I was more inclined to

1241
00:53:18,980 --> 00:53:15,599
believe a little bit everything you know

1242
00:53:21,499 --> 00:53:18,990
like I was less critical of what I was

1243
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:21,509
reading and

1244
00:53:31,219 --> 00:53:25,649
the comet Elenin phenomena that happened

1245
00:53:33,609 --> 00:53:31,229
you know as 2012 is C 2010 ex the comet

1246
00:53:37,189 --> 00:53:33,619
that was supposed to end the planet and

1247
00:53:38,929 --> 00:53:37,199
yeah of course I was going through

1248
00:53:41,809 --> 00:53:38,939
personal issues at the time I was being

1249
00:53:43,729 --> 00:53:41,819
trolled by a group of YouTube channels

1250
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,739
that had hundreds of thousands of

1251
00:53:48,889 --> 00:53:45,839
subscribers they were making hundreds of

1252
00:53:51,949 --> 00:53:48,899
videos about me so I wasn't really

1253
00:53:54,259 --> 00:53:51,959
paranoid place to begin with and then

1254
00:53:56,209 --> 00:53:54,269
this comes along and you know I believed

1255
00:53:58,279 --> 00:53:56,219
it hook line and sinker you know they

1256
00:54:01,609 --> 00:53:58,289
say that every good conspiracy is a

1257
00:54:03,499 --> 00:54:01,619
grain of truth so you know they mix a

1258
00:54:06,409 --> 00:54:03,509
little bit of science in there and then

1259
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:06,419
yeah there was this doctor münster

1260
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:08,609
O'Meara Bush each you're familiar with

1261
00:54:12,439 --> 00:54:09,119
him

1262
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:12,449
Crown Prince of HuR Croatia he claims to

1263
00:54:19,999 --> 00:54:15,599
be anyway he has this website called

1264
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:20,009
sizemode info when he wrote this paper

1265
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,249
about the increase in magnitude 6 plus

1266
00:54:32,839 --> 00:54:28,319
earthquakes whenever there were galactic

1267
00:54:38,059 --> 00:54:32,849
alignments between Elenin Earth and the

1268
00:54:42,919 --> 00:54:38,069
Sun or Venus Elenin earth basically what

1269
00:54:46,339 --> 00:54:42,929
he was doing was remix of the spheres or

1270
00:54:48,439 --> 00:54:46,349
music's universalis you know from the

1271
00:54:51,219 --> 00:54:48,449
olden days the idea that there's

1272
00:54:54,709 --> 00:54:51,229
resonant you know vibrations between

1273
00:54:57,379 --> 00:54:54,719
celestial bodies that could react in

1274
00:54:59,599 --> 00:54:57,389
earthquakes he was mixing this and

1275
00:55:02,149 --> 00:54:59,609
conflating it with Elenin so he had

1276
00:55:05,479 --> 00:55:02,159
written up all of these you know charts

1277
00:55:09,049 --> 00:55:05,489
on how an earthquake happened when you

1278
00:55:12,709 --> 00:55:09,059
know Mars the comet Elenin and earth

1279
00:55:14,899 --> 00:55:12,719
lined up so you know I was like I

1280
00:55:17,149 --> 00:55:14,909
believed it and then when it didn't

1281
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:17,159
happen it hit me in the face and I'm

1282
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:19,529
going how the hell could I be that

1283
00:55:23,959 --> 00:55:20,689
stupid

1284
00:55:26,839 --> 00:55:23,969
and that's when I read the article the

1285
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:26,849
anatomy of slaves feet and and the idea

1286
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,329
is simple it's language that maintains a

1287
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:32,880
master/slave relationship that people

1288
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:34,710
can use words to

1289
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:38,400
litchi and when i and there's a copy of

1290
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:40,770
the article on climate viewer calm it's

1291
00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:43,410
linked on the sidebar of every single

1292
00:55:50,780 --> 00:55:46,200
page on the website in the quote that i

1293
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:50,790
use to link to it is one of the saddest

1294
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:52,500
lessons of history is this if we're

1295
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:54,900
we've been bamboozled long enough we

1296
00:55:59,870 --> 00:55:57,210
tend to reject any evidence of the

1297
00:56:02,359 --> 00:55:59,880
bamboozle we're no longer interested in

1298
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:02,369
finding out the truth the bamboozle has

1299
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:04,770
captured us it's simply too painful to

1300
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:06,570
acknowledge even to ourselves that we've

1301
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:08,970
been taken once you give a charlatan

1302
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:11,520
power over you you almost never get it

1303
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:14,970
back and Carl Sagan said that and I

1304
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,490
linked that to the article the anatomy

1305
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:19,920
of slaves speak and the idea behind

1306
00:56:25,550 --> 00:56:23,040
slaves speak is is real simple language

1307
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:25,560
creates spooks that get into our head

1308
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:29,280
and hypnotize us that was Robert Anton

1309
00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:31,530
Wilson ideas are more powerful than guns

1310
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:33,180
we would not let our enemies have guns

1311
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:36,660
why should we let them have ideas Joseph

1312
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:38,910
Stalin it is hard to fight an enemy who

1313
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:40,920
has outposts in your head Sally Kempton

1314
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:43,770
and the most potent weapon in the hands

1315
00:56:48,620 --> 00:56:45,450
of the oppressor is the mind of the

1316
00:56:52,099 --> 00:56:48,630
oppressed Steven Biko so this is where I

1317
00:56:54,050 --> 00:56:52,109
come from this perspective of you know

1318
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:54,060
high-level descriptor low level

1319
00:57:01,790 --> 00:56:57,450
descriptor chemtrail contrail same-same

1320
00:57:04,490 --> 00:57:01,800
it's it's a it's a it's a semantic you

1321
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:04,500
ninjitsu it's it's verbal you know kung

1322
00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:07,680
fu that people are so busy arguing over

1323
00:57:12,620 --> 00:57:10,080
the words that they they missed the

1324
00:57:14,839 --> 00:57:12,630
point you know it's like you know keep

1325
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:14,849
put look keep focusing on the finger and

1326
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:16,530
you will miss all that having heavenly

1327
00:57:24,109 --> 00:57:21,450
Beauty Bruce Lee that people missed the

1328
00:57:26,990 --> 00:57:24,119
whole point of the chemtrail debate that

1329
00:57:29,180 --> 00:57:27,000
people are upset because they see clouds

1330
00:57:31,609 --> 00:57:29,190
over their house and they're blocking

1331
00:57:33,890 --> 00:57:31,619
out the Sun and then some people go a

1332
00:57:37,579 --> 00:57:33,900
step further and they put all of these

1333
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:37,589
attributes on it and they say well they

1334
00:57:43,339 --> 00:57:39,690
must be doing this and it's oh it's

1335
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:43,349
definitely geoengineering even the guy

1336
00:57:46,849 --> 00:57:45,570
who said it was geoengineering he wasn't

1337
00:57:48,260 --> 00:57:46,859
even talking about the clouds he was

1338
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:48,270
talking with the i6i

1339
00:57:51,350 --> 00:57:49,920
that in my videos all the time you see

1340
00:57:53,300 --> 00:57:51,360
blue overhead you see white on the

1341
00:57:55,220 --> 00:57:53,310
horizon those are air assaults that's

1342
00:57:57,260 --> 00:57:55,230
what the guys talking about the buildup

1343
00:57:59,150 --> 00:57:57,270
of aerosols whitening the sky

1344
00:58:02,870 --> 00:57:59,160
that's what geoengineering would look

1345
00:58:04,970 --> 00:58:02,880
like not clouds but more and more we're

1346
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:04,980
hearing about earth radiation management

1347
00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:08,460
and cirrus cloud thinning and the focus

1348
00:58:15,830 --> 00:58:11,190
of geoengineering using cirrus clouds

1349
00:58:20,540 --> 00:58:15,840
which are created by planes so is it you

1350
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:20,550
I have intentionally used the word

1351
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:23,760
chemtrail to draw people in to get them

1352
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:25,710
to understand that this is a serious

1353
00:58:29,780 --> 00:58:27,690
problem that there are people actively

1354
00:58:33,230 --> 00:58:29,790
experimenting on this that there are

1355
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:33,240
plans to make clouds by day men by night

1356
00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:36,710
stated by the ICAO stated by the FAA

1357
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:40,500
after our hearing at the EPA during the

1358
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:44,130
trunk Hillary election you know

1359
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:46,500
basically if you don't mind giving once

1360
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:49,050
I gonna pull us up so I don't you get

1361
00:58:57,230 --> 00:58:51,930
this wrong but this is the timeline of

1362
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:57,240
what happened it's right here so we had

1363
00:59:03,830 --> 00:59:00,960
the hearing in 2015 August 11th July

1364
00:59:06,020 --> 00:59:03,840
25th 2016 breaking EPA to limit

1365
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:06,030
greenhouse gases from airplanes so they

1366
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:07,710
decided they were going to limit

1367
00:59:17,410 --> 00:59:12,690
greenhouse gases July 25th 2016 or July

1368
00:59:20,810 --> 00:59:17,420
30 31st 2016 less than six days later

1369
00:59:23,860 --> 00:59:20,820
White House releases federal alternative

1370
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:23,870
jet fuel research development strategy

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00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:28,170
September 3rd 2016 China US and Europe

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00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:29,970
pledged support for global aviation

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00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:35,250
emissions pact September 12 2016 Greens

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00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:37,920
moved to dismiss EPA lawsuit over

1375
00:59:46,610 --> 00:59:42,330
airplane emissions so China Europe and

1376
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:46,620
the icao in the u.s. agreed to use

1377
00:59:55,820 --> 00:59:49,770
biofuels to fix the contrary Allah

1378
01:00:00,140 --> 00:59:55,830
manned then October 10 2017 NGOs slammed

1379
01:00:01,580 --> 01:00:00,150
UN Aviation agency plan for biofuels so

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01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:01,590
it's it's kind of

1381
01:00:06,830 --> 01:00:04,530
ironic yeah we went there with the

1382
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:06,840
purpose of talking about clouds and how

1383
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:08,970
people are upset about metal

1384
01:00:15,260 --> 01:00:11,640
particulates coming out of planes their

1385
01:00:18,980 --> 01:00:15,270
possible effects on human health there

1386
01:00:21,740 --> 01:00:18,990
are many you many psychological papers

1387
01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:21,750
on you spending habits of people mental

1388
01:00:28,070 --> 01:00:23,880
health conditions of people just on

1389
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:28,080
rainy or cloudy days versus sunny things

1390
01:00:34,820 --> 01:00:32,880
so the point being that this is a much

1391
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:34,830
more complex topic than people are

1392
01:00:39,290 --> 01:00:37,170
talking about people when you simplify

1393
01:00:41,660 --> 01:00:39,300
it down to oh it's a depopulation

1394
01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:41,670
program or it's a geoengineering program

1395
01:00:46,790 --> 01:00:43,980
every single planes in on it that's just

1396
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:46,800
pure stupidity it's a it's yeah there's

1397
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:49,710
never one single cause for anything

1398
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,050
everything is more nuanced than that so

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01:00:58,010 --> 01:00:54,960
what I saw happen with the EPA hearing

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01:01:00,140 --> 01:00:58,020
was that the whole world agreed we're

1401
01:01:03,770 --> 01:01:00,150
gonna use biofuels to fix this problem

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:03,780
with the clouds and by the way we're not

1403
01:01:08,930 --> 01:01:05,850
gonna regulate the airline industry at

1404
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:08,940
all same thing happened in 1972 when

1405
01:01:13,310 --> 01:01:11,190
they were sued over making clouds so

1406
01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:13,320
once again the airline industry skirted

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01:01:19,370 --> 01:01:16,500
any kind of real regulation all of the

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01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:19,380
bodies themselves the ICAO wrote its own

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01:01:24,380 --> 01:01:22,170
regulations and agreed hey this is what

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01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:24,390
we're gonna do we're gonna use biofuels

1411
01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:27,420
for contrail control then now you keep

1412
01:01:31,250 --> 01:01:29,070
saying that they all agreed to use

1413
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:31,260
biofuels for control control wait where

1414
01:01:34,070 --> 01:01:32,250
are you getting this from and they

1415
01:01:35,420 --> 01:01:34,080
haven't all agreed that this is what

1416
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:35,430
they're doing and that is where they are

1417
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:38,460
doing it I mean it's right there in the

1418
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:40,530
article China US and Europe pledged

1419
01:01:45,860 --> 01:01:42,450
support for global aviation emissions

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01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:45,870
pact which was part of the supporting a

1421
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:48,570
pact to reduce emissions it's not that

1422
01:01:54,890 --> 01:01:52,770
they're going to use a canoe control

1423
01:01:56,060 --> 01:01:54,900
control you buy biofuels the the

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01:02:02,570 --> 01:01:56,070
emission of the refrigerant air is

1425
01:02:04,430 --> 01:02:02,580
coming dioxide but and I would and I

1426
01:02:06,380 --> 01:02:04,440
would respectfully disagree that you

1427
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:06,390
know that whenever you when I talk to

1428
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:10,050
the head of the Federal Aviation ABS and

1429
01:02:14,070 --> 01:02:11,760
climate change research initiative and

1430
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:14,080
he says we want to make clout more

1431
01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:17,770
Wow yeah now that's intent dude that's

1432
01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:20,830
not hey this is an accident hey this is

1433
01:02:25,380 --> 01:02:23,140
just a natural you know occurrence that

1434
01:02:27,660 --> 01:02:25,390
happens right results of you can't say

1435
01:02:29,460 --> 01:02:27,670
the entire world are suddenly agreed to

1436
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:29,470
use biofuels that's not what they're

1437
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:31,450
talking about that no but the leaders of

1438
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:34,000
the organizations that are in control of

1439
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:37,570
aviation have agreed that contrail

1440
01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:39,970
mitigation through the use of biofuels

1441
01:02:45,210 --> 01:02:44,710
and or sulfur fuel doping is the way to

1442
01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:45,220
go

1443
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:47,710
that is their plan that is what the

1444
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:50,410
current plan is so I've done to disagree

1445
01:02:55,380 --> 01:02:52,930
with you that maybe we can you can look

1446
01:02:57,870 --> 01:02:55,390
at this a pipeline and all right well

1447
01:02:59,580 --> 01:02:57,880
then I was saying when we get on this

1448
01:03:01,770 --> 01:02:59,590
I'll send you an interview I did with

1449
01:03:04,290 --> 01:03:01,780
dr. Daniel Rosenfeld from the Hebrew

1450
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:04,300
University of Jerusalem and he fully

1451
01:03:08,820 --> 01:03:06,910
agreed with what I was saying and he is

1452
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:08,830
one of the top cloud seeding scientists

1453
01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:12,010
on the planet that basically the what

1454
01:03:19,950 --> 01:03:16,260
may be considered just mitigation is

1455
01:03:22,170 --> 01:03:19,960
active geoengineering the the idea that

1456
01:03:25,470 --> 01:03:22,180
we would create clouds by day nine by

1457
01:03:27,390 --> 01:03:25,480
night that that is a stated goal just by

1458
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:27,400
stating that goal it goes from being

1459
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:32,290
accidental to intent let's just look at

1460
01:03:37,230 --> 01:03:34,720
that real quick like creating clouds by

1461
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:37,240
day and done by night you can't do that

1462
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:40,690
just by modifying the fuel of course

1463
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:42,970
you'd also have to fly modify flight

1464
01:03:47,070 --> 01:03:45,250
patterns in fact most of what you would

1465
01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:47,080
have to do is modify the flight patterns

1466
01:03:52,410 --> 01:03:49,390
is in fact it's entirely the in advance

1467
01:03:54,780 --> 01:03:52,420
the entirety of that scheme is modifying

1468
01:03:57,210 --> 01:03:54,790
flight patterns so that you've you route

1469
01:04:00,000 --> 01:03:57,220
the planes either around or through ice

1470
01:04:01,580 --> 01:04:00,010
supersaturated regions the modifications

1471
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:01,590
of the fuel really doesn't do that much

1472
01:04:09,530 --> 01:04:05,200
well that I would argue with yet by

1473
01:04:13,980 --> 01:04:09,540
stating that I have about 10 separate

1474
01:04:16,170 --> 01:04:13,990
patents from rolls-royce to Airbus where

1475
01:04:19,470 --> 01:04:16,180
they state that they could use two by

1476
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:19,480
two fuels in one tank in one aircraft

1477
01:04:25,650 --> 01:04:22,330
one part biofuel one part you know

1478
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,660
old-style jp-8 or jet a and that a

1479
01:04:30,330 --> 01:04:27,520
mixture of the two using

1480
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:30,340
the engines electronic control unit that

1481
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:32,050
they could regulate the production of

1482
01:04:39,540 --> 01:04:35,440
clouds also that na recently paid

1483
01:04:44,550 --> 01:04:39,550
release paper so it was a party at Sol

1484
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:44,560
2015 they said we would use ultra low

1485
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:47,410
sulfur jet fuel on takeoff and fuel

1486
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:50,170
doped with sulfur at altitude which

1487
01:04:55,710 --> 01:04:52,930
would release reduce mortality around

1488
01:04:59,100 --> 01:04:55,720
airports and that would cool the planet

1489
01:05:01,140 --> 01:04:59,110
by injecting sulfur at altitude so

1490
01:05:02,970 --> 01:05:01,150
reducing mortality is probably the prime

1491
01:05:04,620 --> 01:05:02,980
driver they're reducing my illusion

1492
01:05:07,230 --> 01:05:04,630
around that boss is a much bigger

1493
01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:07,240
problem in most people's minds than the

1494
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:09,900
actual difference you can make by

1495
01:05:16,260 --> 01:05:14,290
changing the fuel at altitude but what I

1496
01:05:18,810 --> 01:05:16,270
would say is that if you look at this in

1497
01:05:20,670 --> 01:05:18,820
totality I mean and that's what I try to

1498
01:05:22,830 --> 01:05:20,680
do I try to look at the macro of things

1499
01:05:25,790 --> 01:05:22,840
what's the overarching theme here and

1500
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:25,800
the overarching theme seems to me that

1501
01:05:32,220 --> 01:05:29,920
there is much more to do about this

1502
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:32,230
cloud problem than just simply

1503
01:05:38,190 --> 01:05:34,930
dismissing it as its natural

1504
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:38,200
condensation nothing to see here

1505
01:05:42,750 --> 01:05:40,210
which is the natural response you're

1506
01:05:48,020 --> 01:05:42,760
gonna get if you call the FAA or the

1507
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:50,609
organizations to here completely natural

1508
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:55,210
but at the same time with the projected

1509
01:05:59,580 --> 01:05:57,280
increase in flights with the amount of

1510
01:06:03,270 --> 01:05:59,590
fuel you burned each year with the

1511
01:06:05,810 --> 01:06:03,280
effects that you know switching to algae

1512
01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:05,820
based chicken fat and a more complicated

1513
01:06:11,550 --> 01:06:08,710
yeah it's a very nuanced you know

1514
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:11,560
problem and that's I try to focus on all

1515
01:06:16,890 --> 01:06:14,890
of it simultaneously no I think I agree

1516
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:16,900
with well we could have gone over an

1517
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:19,810
hour here what are you going to be doing

1518
01:06:27,330 --> 01:06:21,970
in the future with us this type of thing

1519
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:27,340
I mean honestly you like I kind of feel

1520
01:06:32,430 --> 01:06:30,070
like I'm more than set out to do what I

1521
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:32,440
intended to do I mean I created weather

1522
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:35,050
modification history.com to document it

1523
01:06:40,620 --> 01:06:37,330
all in a timeline format

1524
01:06:44,490 --> 01:06:40,630
I've been cited by Harvard MIT

1525
01:06:47,550 --> 01:06:44,500
Nations environmental program export.gov

1526
01:06:51,780 --> 01:06:47,560
like this this is just a hobby that you

1527
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:51,790
know I do for fun because I'm interested

1528
01:06:56,670 --> 01:06:53,920
in the topic and I want more people to

1529
01:06:58,880 --> 01:06:56,680
know about weather modification space

1530
01:07:01,800 --> 01:06:58,890
weather modification ionosphere heaters

1531
01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:01,810
all of these technologies because I

1532
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:04,030
don't think the layperson the general

1533
01:07:09,780 --> 01:07:06,730
public know that it's even a thing Wow

1534
01:07:11,940 --> 01:07:09,790
yeah we listen to the news and we hear

1535
01:07:15,420 --> 01:07:11,950
that every single severe weather event

1536
01:07:17,790 --> 01:07:15,430
is based on climate change and they

1537
01:07:20,130 --> 01:07:17,800
never mentioned the climate change errs

1538
01:07:22,890 --> 01:07:20,140
the people who are intentionally

1539
01:07:26,730 --> 01:07:22,900
changing the weather I think that that's

1540
01:07:29,220 --> 01:07:26,740
absolutely freaking ridiculous and again

1541
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:29,230
I would restate that all of the people

1542
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:31,450
talking about climate change know that

1543
01:07:36,990 --> 01:07:35,530
their models are flawed and I'll leave

1544
01:07:40,350 --> 01:07:37,000
you with this Lawrence Livermore

1545
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:40,360
National Lab Teller wouldn't hide you

1546
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:43,410
know I'm talking about Edward Teller

1547
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:46,960
Lowood and Rodrick Hyde published a

1548
01:07:51,630 --> 01:07:49,570
paper in 1994 about the Pinatubo effect

1549
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:51,640
from Lawrence Livermore National Lab and

1550
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:54,010
they said you know this is how we long

1551
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:55,690
term stabilization of the climate

1552
01:08:01,410 --> 01:07:57,520
through spray and crap in the sky and

1553
01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:01,420
then the next 1997 their second paper

1554
01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:02,230
came out

1555
01:08:06,330 --> 01:08:04,390
that's when ken caldera comes into the

1556
01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:06,340
mix and Ken caldera was working at

1557
01:08:11,310 --> 01:08:08,470
Lawrence Livermore and he made a

1558
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:11,320
computer model and he plugged in all the

1559
01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:12,850
numbers and he said you know this

1560
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:16,060
geoengineering idea it would be great it

1561
01:08:19,980 --> 01:08:18,010
would actually you know increase you

1562
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:19,990
know plants would grow better and

1563
01:08:24,570 --> 01:08:21,970
everything would be just hunky-dory and

1564
01:08:25,380 --> 01:08:24,580
then they wrote their third paper and

1565
01:08:27,420 --> 01:08:25,390
everything was fine

1566
01:08:30,420 --> 01:08:27,430
well then I've come to find out that

1567
01:08:33,150 --> 01:08:30,430
Bill Gates Ken caldera John Latham

1568
01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:33,160
Steven Salter are all on the same patent

1569
01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:35,980
for steering hurricanes and then I find

1570
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:38,500
out that King caldera Bill Gates

1571
01:08:43,770 --> 01:08:40,810
Nathan merb hold the patent troll are

1572
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:43,780
all on a patent for cloud ionisers they

1573
01:08:49,020 --> 01:08:46,330
can rent to farmers to put out in their

1574
01:08:52,350 --> 01:08:49,030
field to make the clouds either go away

1575
01:08:54,059 --> 01:08:52,360
make them rain all this stuff so you've

1576
01:08:56,099 --> 01:08:54,069
got these guys who are claiming

1577
01:08:58,530 --> 01:08:56,109
they want to save the planet for good

1578
01:09:00,329 --> 01:08:58,540
reasons because of global warming but

1579
01:09:02,339 --> 01:09:00,339
they're also out there making patents

1580
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:02,349
for weather modification steering

1581
01:09:06,780 --> 01:09:05,199
hurricanes and the Department of

1582
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:06,790
Homeland Security had the hurricane

1583
01:09:15,660 --> 01:09:10,239
modification workshop in 2008 who shows

1584
01:09:18,209 --> 01:09:15,670
up John Latham Geoengineer is a big big

1585
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:18,219
it I think because firstly but you think

1586
01:09:24,030 --> 01:09:21,730
is ulterior motives I think it's my

1587
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,040
monetary issue you know I mean I mean

1588
01:09:29,879 --> 01:09:26,799
when David Keith owns carbon engineering

1589
01:09:33,569 --> 01:09:29,889
and he knows that he's got money to be

1590
01:09:36,059 --> 01:09:33,579
made if CDR you know direct carbon

1591
01:09:38,220 --> 01:09:36,069
capture ever gets government funding

1592
01:09:39,930 --> 01:09:38,230
he's gonna be filthy rich when king

1593
01:09:42,629 --> 01:09:39,940
caldera has all his patents and of

1594
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:42,639
course in private emails Ken's told me

1595
01:09:48,419 --> 01:09:45,279
multiple times I would donate all my

1596
01:09:52,459 --> 01:09:48,429
money if these patents were ever used

1597
01:09:54,569 --> 01:09:52,469
you know I'm not in this for the money I

1598
01:09:56,939 --> 01:09:54,579
see ulterior motives

1599
01:09:58,770 --> 01:09:56,949
to all of these individuals and at the

1600
01:10:00,810 --> 01:09:58,780
end of the day at all it all usually

1601
01:10:04,350 --> 01:10:00,820
goes back to money with Chris fallen

1602
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:04,360
from HAARP I see a nerd who's interested

1603
01:10:08,939 --> 01:10:06,400
in electric science and radio science I

1604
01:10:10,319 --> 01:10:08,949
mean he's a cool cat I like talking to

1605
01:10:13,919 --> 01:10:10,329
him I'm looking forward to interviewing

1606
01:10:16,319 --> 01:10:13,929
him but at the same time we're finding

1607
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:16,329
out more and more everyday about the you

1608
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:18,730
know the connections between the

1609
01:10:22,530 --> 01:10:21,040
electrical environment surrounding our

1610
01:10:25,290 --> 01:10:22,540
you know planet the ionosphere

1611
01:10:29,069 --> 01:10:25,300
atmosphere and terrestrial weather I

1612
01:10:33,149 --> 01:10:29,079
mean this is not known science and every

1613
01:10:34,740 --> 01:10:33,159
day we learn more about it so and well

1614
01:10:37,169 --> 01:10:34,750
maybe we should have another another

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discussion about so that's a big Harpe

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I'll just so merrily state that well I

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01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:47,290
believe everybody blames heart for

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01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:50,110
controlling the weather and steering the

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01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:53,679
jet stream but that is complete BS I've

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01:11:02,129 --> 01:10:57,810
said so to Chris I know this to be true

1621
01:11:05,250 --> 01:11:02,139
and but at the same time I'm you've got

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01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:05,260
two companies climate control global

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01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:07,190
trading LLC out of Dubai

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01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:10,370
on the United Arab Emirates they claim

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01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:13,580
to steer atmospheric rivers my doctor

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01:11:18,879 --> 01:11:16,210
I'm dr. David miles from Miles research

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01:11:21,459 --> 01:11:18,889
formerly of aqueous I interviewed him

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01:11:24,399 --> 01:11:21,469
says he steers atmospheric rivers

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01:11:26,910 --> 01:11:24,409
weather generator dotnet there another

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01:11:29,879 --> 01:11:26,920
company out of the United Arab Emirates

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01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:29,889
using cloud ionisers to steer

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01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:32,480
atmospheric rivers so that ice is

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01:11:37,149 --> 01:11:35,090
everybody blame it hard and then you've

1634
01:11:40,689 --> 01:11:37,159
got these companies literally online

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01:11:43,570 --> 01:11:40,699
with website saying we do that and you

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01:11:47,250 --> 01:11:43,580
can pay us to do that so yeah probably

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01:11:50,590 --> 01:11:47,260
concise I think they seem to be Monday

1638
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:50,600
rain dance type of people with what

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01:11:55,810 --> 01:11:53,840
countries around Jane's Roger Fleming

1640
01:11:59,439 --> 01:11:55,820
would agree with you when he talks about

1641
01:12:01,959 --> 01:11:59,449
the the three cycles of the pathological

1642
01:12:05,290 --> 01:12:01,969
weather modifiers you know hope hype and

1643
01:12:07,930 --> 01:12:05,300
you know all of that that you in the in

1644
01:12:13,330 --> 01:12:07,940
the age of pliva culture which was you

1645
01:12:16,300 --> 01:12:13,340
know from 1918 to 1946 there were rain

1646
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:16,310
makers they made promises they never

1647
01:12:22,300 --> 01:12:19,310
delivered 1946 for president we've had

1648
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:22,310
cloud seeding they make promises they

1649
01:12:26,649 --> 01:12:23,810
can't prove anything that they're doing

1650
01:12:28,959 --> 01:12:26,659
is actually having an effect and now

1651
01:12:31,419 --> 01:12:28,969
we've got the third phase geoengineering

1652
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:31,429
they're making promises they don't know

1653
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,010
what the outcomes will be and they're

1654
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:36,080
basically writing a check they're asking

1655
01:12:41,140 --> 01:12:39,170
it cash and making promises that do you

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01:12:43,390 --> 01:12:41,150
engineering people because they haven't

1657
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:43,400
touched the promised that are going to

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01:12:46,450 --> 01:12:45,050
do things they said there's potential of

1659
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:46,460
the technology but I'm not saying they

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01:12:55,090 --> 01:12:51,110
can do this and that they will work well

1661
01:12:56,770 --> 01:12:55,100
I would say that that if you look a

1662
01:12:59,260 --> 01:12:56,780
little deeper into it and you look at

1663
01:13:02,169 --> 01:12:59,270
things like John Podesta and Hillary

1664
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:02,179
Clinton's super PAC that were meeting

1665
01:13:08,140 --> 01:13:05,330
right before cop cop21 to Paris Accord

1666
01:13:10,990 --> 01:13:08,150
they were specifically saying hey you

1667
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:11,000
know we're gonna we're actually gonna

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01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:13,040
try to make get funding for

1669
01:13:17,399 --> 01:13:14,719
geoengineering we think it's a great

1670
01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:17,409
idea but God's sakes don't mention

1671
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:20,510
geoengineering until cop21 is

1672
01:13:26,410 --> 01:13:23,690
and would sing and the day it was over

1673
01:13:29,860 --> 01:13:26,420
with academics call for geoengineering

1674
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:29,870
in wake of Paris Accords deadly flaws

1675
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:32,690
yeah well so there's a lot of things

1676
01:13:36,430 --> 01:13:34,730
that we could talk about and which we

1677
01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:36,440
had a bit more time but I do have

1678
01:13:43,420 --> 01:13:40,310
various now so thank you very much Jim

1679
01:13:46,810 --> 01:13:43,430
very interesting conversation well I

1680
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:46,820
appreciate you having me on make it's

1681
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:50,690
been a long interesting ride discussing

1682
01:13:57,310 --> 01:13:53,810
cakes with you and yeah I look forward

1683
01:13:59,950 --> 01:13:57,320
to doing this again sometime yeah you're

1684
01:14:05,080 --> 01:13:59,960
you're know pleasantly known as the

1685
01:14:08,260 --> 01:14:05,090
Darth Vader of chemtrails reason yeah

1686
01:14:11,050 --> 01:14:08,270
well I mean you you serve a purpose and

1687
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:11,060
I mean honestly you you you've educated

1688
01:14:18,340 --> 01:14:13,730
me on certain things I I like to look at

1689
01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:18,350
your website and then go yeah I see

1690
01:14:22,750 --> 01:14:20,510
where he's telling the truth here I

1691
01:14:26,490 --> 01:14:22,760
don't agree with him on this fully

1692
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:26,500
because I know this but I think that you

1693
01:14:32,620 --> 01:14:29,330
overall you your hearts in the right

1694
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:32,630
place I agree with you that a lot of

1695
01:14:38,980 --> 01:14:36,170
people believe way too many crazy ideas

1696
01:14:41,230 --> 01:14:38,990
about chemtrails in fact it to be quite

1697
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:41,240
honest with you for me personally it is

1698
01:14:48,010 --> 01:14:43,970
my least pleasurable thing to talk about

1699
01:14:50,650 --> 01:14:48,020
because every time I speak my mind and

1700
01:14:56,050 --> 01:14:50,660
say exactly what I feel you know they

1701
01:14:59,050 --> 01:14:56,060
come out of the Woodworks to it but just